one difficult thread

still, I didn't think it was that bad...

Jay,

I'm not sure where this whole thing is going but I give you a lot of credit for leting everyone say what they will... and reasoning with them all (to the extent feasible).

Delia
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reality based policy?

TD:

#1. what are the relevant facts that would support your assertion that the Bush White House policies re: Iraq were in fact reality-based?

#2 If those policies were based on reality how come that this late in the game we are so far off from what "we" (Bush administration) expected would happen?

Delia
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talk is cheap

re: "But all of them are demonstrably false."
Jason: well, you might just as well go ahead and... demonstrate, then? no?

Delia
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you gotta have the facts

Jason:

sorry, but I'm not going anywhere... If you disagree with Jay (and have the indisputable facts to demonstrate the "demonstrably false" things on your list) AND Jay would like to hear that too... (it's his blog after all...) fine... I'm listening... Otherwise, you don't seem to be going anywhere with your arguments...

Delia(http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/weblogs/pressthink/2006/12/18/suskind_empiricism.html#comment31655)
yes, there are *facts*! (always...)

Jay: if there are no facts we could possibly agree on... what's the point of all this? (might just as well go to bed -- it's getting late...) Nighty-night, all! D.

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don't give up!

Jason: sorry, but I'm not going anywhere... If you disagree with Jay (and have the indisputable facts to demonstrate the "demonstrably false" things on your list) AND Jay would like to hear that too... (it's his blog after all...) fine... I'm listening... Otherwise, you don't seem to be going anywhere with your arguments...

Delia

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still, an honest debate is hard to find...

Jay: Sorry about stirring-up this tangle with Jason (it was just that I would have really liked an honest debate). D

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